MEMORANDUM DECISION

This matter reached this Court on an appeal from the decision of the Bankruptcy Court. The matter was tried to the Bankruptcy Court pursuant to a stipulation of fact. The stipulation is as follows:

After considering the respective arguments of counsel for the respective parties, the Bankruptcy Judge here made the following findings in his 18-page opinion:

1. The loan which forms the basis of the claim by Advance Loan was made and the interest first began to accrue on January 16, 1981.

2. The first payment in issue here was made by check on February 27, 1981.

3. The second payment was made by check on March 27, 1981. This payment was made for interest that began to accrue on February 16, 1981.

4. The third payment was made by check on April 27, 1981, for interest that began to accrue on March 16, 1981.

From the foregoing factual findings, the Bankruptcy Court made the following conclusions of law:

The constitutional issues referred to in the foregoing in the Bankruptcy Judge’s learned dissertation begin with the proposition that the bankruptcy power of Congress is subject to the Fifth Amendment prohibition against taking private property without compensation. By analogy to the cases upholding the critical portion of the Bankruptcy Judge’s opinion in this regard is found in the following segment:

The equitable considerations referred to by the Bankruptcy Judge are addressed in his consideration of the practical effects of the Barash holding, if carried to their ultimate logical conclusion. As stated by the Bankruptcy Judge, in the great majority of bankruptcy cases, the designation of ordinary consumer credit transactions as preferences does not benefit the unsecured creditors as intended by Congress, but rather, the trustee and his attorney.

After filing his findings of fact and conclusions of law, the Bankruptcy Judge entered judgment, which provided in material part:

The Trustee filed a timely notice of appeal from this judgment.

Since the parties have stipulated to the facts upon which the Bankruptcy Judge’s decision is based, we review the decision of the bankruptcy court for errors of law.

The lengthy, well considered opinion of the Bankruptcy Court clearly indicates that the Trustee’s position in this case may be summarized as follows:

1. The claimant, Advance Loan Company, received three monthly payments of $1,235.00 each within three months of the filing of the bankruptcy by the bankrupts. After the bankruptcy proceedings were filed, the claimant Advance Loan Company refused to turn over these sums to the Trustee. The Trustee requests the Court to simply order the claimant loan company to turn over to the Trustee the three payments of $1,235.00 each, as preferences. It should be noted that although it was not contained in the written stipulation, counsel for both parties were in agreement at oral argument that substantial portions of the three payments in question were credited to interest.

2. The Trustee also requested the Court to disallow the claim of Advance Loan Company in its entirety because of the acceptance of the preference.

The Trustee rests his contention that the payments in question were preferences upon the provisions of 11 U.S.C. § 547 (b), which provides:

One cannot adequately test the trustee’s powers under the preceding section, however, unless it is read in conjunction with 11 U.S.C. § 547 (c), which provides, in pertinent part, as follows:

As previously stated, counsel for both parties principally rely upon two eases in making their legal arguments, first before the bankruptcy court, and later here, on appeal. As may be expected, they draw conflicting inferences from each case.

The inferences urged upon the Court by the Trustee are based upon Barash. The operative facts of the Barash case are lucidly set forth:

Barash v. Public Finance Corp., 658 F.2d 504, 505-506 .

In a footnote to this recitation, it appears that all of the secured obligations in question were secured by household goods, furniture and/or automobiles. The footnote also indicates that each loan in question was made a short time before bankruptcy proceedings started, and that each debtor received the entire loan proceed for his own use. The opinion does not indicate that the loans were a result of any previous commercial relationship between the debtor and the secured creditor, or that such a relationship existed.

The Barash court, after analyzing the elements of the preferences set forth in § 547(b), supra, next considered the relationship between that section and 11 U.S.C. § 506 (a). The Barash court pointed out that for the first time, the bankruptcy law mandates the categorization of claims as well as categorization of creditors, and to the extent that debt owed to a creditor exceeds the value of the collateral allocated to secure that debt, that creditor becomes both a secured and unsecured creditor. This, in turn, directly impinges upon the fifth element of preference, namely, the inquiry that the court must make to determine whether the creditor involved, by retaining the payment claimed to be a preference will “receive more than he would receive if the estate were liquidated under Chapter 7.”

Specifically, the Barash court reasoned that:

Barash v. Public Finance Corp., supra, at 509.

After demonstrating this relationship, the Court turned to the consideration of § 547(c)(2), which exempts the bankruptcy transfers from being a preference if the transfer was made in payment of a debt incurred in the ordinary course of business or financial affairs of the debtor and the transferee, and was not made later than 45 days after the debt was incurred. Further exempted are transfers made in the ordinary course of business or financial affairs of the debtor and the transferee and transfer is made according to ordinary business terms. The Barash court conceded that the obligations before them clearly met all of the required criteria to be exempt except whether the payments in question were made within 45 days after the debts were “incurred.” After discussing the importance of Congress having eliminated the intent or motive of the bankrupt in making three bankruptcy payments, the Barash court concluded that a debt is incurred when it becomes a legally binding obligation of the debtor, i.e., when the original debt is incurred, not when the monthly or other periodic installments fall due.

The Barash court concluded that Congress intended that:

Barash v. Public Finance Corp., supra, at 511.

After this exhaustive analysis, the Bar-ash court concluded that:

Barash v. Public Finance Corp., supra, at 512.

The Barash analysis was adopted by an Eighth Circuit panel in In Re Iowa Premium Service Co., Inc., 676 F.2d 1220 (8th Cir.1982) with regard to monthly interest payments on an unsecured promissory note.

However, after the above decision was released for publication, the Eighth Circuit granted a hearing en banc. After reargument on the hearing en banc, the Eighth Circuit by a five to three decision, reversed the original panel, In Re Iowa Premium Service Co., Inc., 695 F.2d 1109 (8th Cir.1982).

Iowa Premium II agreed with the Bar-ash panel and the panel in Iowa Premium I, that the obligation of the debtor to repay the principal of the obligation in each case, was the date upon which the consideration for the debt was received or alternately the execution of the instrument evidencing the debt. Since the payments in issue before the Court were for interest only, the majority in Iowa Premium II, supra, at 1111-1122, concluded that:

The foregoing analysis would appear to be sound when applied to the facts of the case before the Eighth Circuit. A reading of the factual recitation contained in both In Re Iowa Premium cases would indicate that the note in question contained no provisions for prepayment penalty, and hence the debtor-maker of the note could satisfy the obligation by prepaying the principal plus the accrued interest to date at any time.

The narrow thrust of Iowa Premium II must be understood — it merely holds that on the particular facts before it, the periodic interest payments were not preferences. It must be concluded, therefore, that the holding in Iowa Premium II must be limited to the peculiar facts with which that court was dealing, and would not be authority for any case that did not present identical facts. Further, it should be noted that the Barash panel never discussed the credit terms that had been extended to the appellee-bankrupts, and hence we do not know whether the funds sought by the Trustee were all interest or all principal, or both.

The majority panel in Iowa Premium II, as did the bankruptcy judge in the case presently before the Court, relied heavily upon the following excerpt from the House Judiciary Committee reporting on § 547 of the Code:

Unfortunately, much was said by many people during the debate on The Bankruptcy Act of 1978, and counsel for both parties in this case have quoted extensively from those debates and other portions of the committee report which they contend aid their position. In fairness, the excerpted portions relied upon do support their contention, however, it is difficult to understand the exact meaning and intent of the quoted portion because, as was pointed out by the Barash court, the bankrupt’s state of mind is no longer material in determining whether or not a particular transfer is, in fact, preference.

It apparently was this type of factual finding that Congress intended to dispense with.

The Court does not necessarily disagree with the Bankruptcy Judge’s observation concerning the constitutional considerations that may be involved in the appellant’s position or, conversely, with the practical effects of that position. The Court feels, however, it is not necessary to reach those considerations.

Neither does the Court feel that an in depth analysis of when the debt was “incurred” is a useful analysis to be employed in each individual case, although it may be necessary as a subordinate analysis after the principal analysis is made, i.e., whether a preference in fact existed.

The focus, the Court believes, should rather be upon a reconciliation of 11 U.S.C. § 547 (b) and 11 U.S.C. 547(c). It is within these subsections that the conflict in Congressional intent occurs. When Congressional conflict becomes apparent, it becomes the duty of the Court to attempt a reconciliation that will most closely conform to perceived Congressional intent. In so doing, it might be useful to test a transaction against the exemption provisions of 547(c) after applying the criteria of 547(b). Such a procedure, the Court feels, would more reasonably serve the announced purpose of Congress.

In conclusion, it would appear that when confronted with a preference problem of the type presented here and in the circuit court cases that have considered the problem, the court’s focus must be on the past relationship of the parties. If there is an ongoing creditor-debtor relationship, it would appear that the intent of Congress would be to exempt the payments to the secured creditor if, as here, the loan, although made shortly before bankruptcy, was the result of a preceding commercial relationship that arose in the ordinary course of business, and beyond the time that it might be assumed that the debtor was engaged in pre-bankruptcy planning.

Frankly, the Court is not convinced that, as a policy matter, the newly created scheme for determining what is or is not a preference is an improvement over the pre-1978 system which focused on the debtor’s state of mind. However, that is an area that Congress must explore, and, if appropriate, address it.

For all of the foregoing reasons, the judgment of the Bankruptcy Court is affirmed.

. Counsel for both sides rely principally on two cases. The first is Barash v. Public Finance Corp., 658 F.2d 504 (7th Cir.1981). That case will be referred to hereinafter as “Barash”. . The second case relied on by counsel is In Re Iowa Premium Service, Inc., 695 F.2d 1109 (8th Cir.1982). That case will be hereinafter referred to as "Iowa Premium II”. . 11 U.S.C. § 506 (a) reads as follows: An allowed claim of a creditor secured by a lien on property in which the estate has an interest, or that is subject to setoff under section 553 of this title [ 11 U.S.C. § 553 ], is a secured claim to the extent of the amount subject to setoff, as the case may be, and is an unsecured claim to the extent that the values of such creditor’s interest or the amount so subject to set off is less than the amount of such allowed claim. Such value shall be determined in light of the purpose of the valuation and of the proposed disposition or use of such property, and in conjunction with any hearing on such disposition or use or on a plan affecting such creditor’s interest. . This discussion, of course, referred to the former section 60 of the Bankruptcy Act of 1898, and its progeny. . The Barash court does not tell us, thus we assume that the loans there in question were not part of an ongoing commercial relationship. . Hereafter "Iowa Premium I". . Heretofore “Iowa Premium II”. . The Bankruptcy Judge found that all but $51.28 of the last two payments made by the bankrupts in the case before the Court was payment of principal. . The Senate focus is essentially the same. The Senate Report states: The second exception protects transfers in the ordinary course of business (or of financial affairs, where a business is not involved) transfers. For the case of a consumer, the paragraph uses the phrase "financial affairs” to include such nonbusiness activities as payment of monthly utility bills. If the debt on account of which the transfer was made was incurred in the ordinary course of both the debtor and the transferee, if the transfer was made not later than 45 days after the debt was incurred, if the transfer itself was made in the ordinary course of both the debtor and the transferee, and if the transfer was made according to ordinary business terms, then the transfer is protected. The purpose of this exception is to leave undisturbed normal financial relations, because it does not detract from the general policy of the preference section to discourage unusual action by either the debtor or his creditors during the debtor’s slide into bankruptcy. Senate Report, Legislative History, Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978, 5 U.S. Code Cong. & Admin. News 5787, 5874. .In an appeal from a decision of the Bankruptcy Court, construing the pre-1978 Act, the following illustrates the difference between the two approaches: Referee Gillard found that the series of transactions between June 14, 1968 and July 12, 1968, whereby the assets of Bankrupt were transferred to Titus and his companies, were fraudulent, within the meaning of all four subsections of § 67d(2) of the Bankruptcy Act, 11 U.S.C. § 107 (d)(2). Specifically, the bankruptcy court found that the transfers, which were performed within the statutory limit of one year prior to the filing of the creditors’ bankruptcy petition, were made without fair consideration by an insolvent and with actual intent to hinder, delay or defraud the creditors of Bankrupt. Thus, the referee found both actual and constructive fraud on the part of the Bankrupt and the appellants. To uphold the judgment voiding the transfers as fraudulent, it is only necessary to find either that there was no fair consideration given and Bankrupt was or was thereby rendered insolvent; or, that there was actual intent to hinder, delay or defraud creditors. 4 Collier on Bankruptcy, ¶ 67.34[3], Matter of Christian & Porter Aluminum Co., 584 F.2d 326, 335 (9th Cir.1978).