I concur in the judgment herein, with the exception only of that part thereof by which it is held that no error was committed by the trial court in its hearing of the motion for a new trial wherein defendant was denied the right of adducing evidence relative to the question of whether in arriving at its verdict the jury reached its conclusion “by lot, or by any means other than a fair expression of opinion on the part'of all the jurors”. (Subd. 4, sec. 1181, Pen. Code.)

In ordinary circumstances and as applied to facts which usually are present where the integrity of a verdict is challenged, I should have no hesitancy in subscribing to the doctrine so generally announced in the prevailing opinion herein. But in the instant case, as portrayed by the record of the proceedings which occurred at the time when the hearing was had, the situation is of such an extraordinary character that, in my opinion, the rule which forbids a juror to impeach his verdict has no application. Indeed, as later may be made to appear herein, by the terms of the statutes, as well as by judicial construction of the law, where on a motion for a new trial the contention of the defendant in a criminal action is to the effect that the verdict was reached “by chance”, the affidavit of a juror to that effect is admissible.

In order that a better understanding may be had of the situation which prevailed at the time when the defendant was denied the right to inquire from the members of the jury into the manner adopted and pursued by' the jury in arriving at its verdict of guilt of the defendant as to a particular count set forth in the indictment, it is deemed advisable that a more complete statement of the pertinent facts be made herein. As is indicated in the opinion of my associate, because of the fact that “the jurors had refused to make affidavits as to whether or not the verdict had been arrived at by lot and chance”, leave was granted “to examine the jurors in open court”. At the time when on such examination the defendant attempted to elicit from the members of the jury the facts which related to the alleged irregularity or misconduct of the jury in the matter, the following verbatim questions and answers, together with remarks made by the trial judge in connection therewith, as appears from the reporter’s transcript of the proceedings, will serve to exemplify the attitude of and the ruling by the trial court with reference to a consideration of the ultimate question of whether the verdict of the jury was “decided by lot, or by any means other than a fair expression of opinion on the part of all the jurors” (subd. 4, sec. 1181, Pen. Code):

In effect, it was then stipulated that had the remaining jurors been asked questions identical with those asked of the one juror they would have “made the same answers and the court made the same rulings. ...” In connection with an inquiry made by counsel for defendant of the deputy district attorney in charge of the prosecution as to whether he would stipulate that “they (the jurors) would answer that question”, the judge of the trial court remarked, “I wouldn’t let them answer it, if he did stipulate to it.”

From a consideration of the quoted portion of the reporter’s transcript of the proceedings which occurred at the time when the matter was before the court, it thus becomes plain that the only pertinent questions which defendant was permitted to ask of the juror and to have answered by him were the bald interrogatories as to whether the verdict was “arrived at by the jury by lot or chance”; and as to whether the jurors “put anything in a box, or draw anything out, do any speculating”. As to the first question, it is clear that the juror expressed himself as not knowing “exactly how to answer it”. As to the second question, although the juror indicated that nothing was either placed within “a box” or withdrawn therefrom, or that “any speculating” was resorted to by the jury in arriving at its verdict,-—it is not without the bounds of probabilities that some unidentified practice or form of other modes of selection by lot or by chance was adopted and carried out by the jury in reaching its decision. At least as much may be readily surmised from the reply made by the juror that he did not know “just exactly how to answer” the question as to whether the verdict was “arrived at ... by lot or chance”. That such speculation is not far from the truth, may also be indicated by the fact that as to the particular count of the indictment of which defendant was found guilty, judged from the record herein, the evidence introduced by defendant not only was sufficient to have caused the existence of a reasonable doubt in the “mind” of the jury as to the guilt of defendant, but, going beyond such a situation, the evidence very largely preponderated in favor of the innocence of defendant; whereas, as to each of several other counts in the indictment of which defendant was found “not guilty”, the evidence taken as a whole, would appear to have been much more satisfactory in quality and quantity and more nearly freed from any question of reasonable doubt regarding the guilt of defendant.

As hereinbefore has been indicated, the rule by which jurors “are legally disabled to impeach their verdict by any means” does not extend to a situation wherein the verdict is challenged on the ground that it “had been decided by lot”. (People v. Reid, 195 Cal. 249, 261 [36 A. L. R. 1435, 232 Pac. 457 ].)

In the cited authority ( 195 Cal. 249, 261 ) it is said: “Upon well-grounded considerations of public policy jurors are legally disabled to impeach their verdict by any means, whether it be by affidavit or by testimony or by extrajudicial statements. (People v. Azoff, 105 Cal. 632, 635 [ 39 Pac. 59 ]; People v. Findley, 132 Cal. 301, 308 [ 64 Pac. 472 ]; Saltzman v. Sunset T. & T. Co., 125 Cal. 501, 504 [ 58 Pac. 169 ]; Fredericks v. Judah, 73 Cal. 604, 607 [ 15 Pac. 305 ]; Siemsen v. Oakland S. L. & H. Elec. Ry., 134 Cal. 494, 498 [ 66 Pac. 672 ].) This is the general rule throughout the United States and it is almost universally held that the only exceptions to it are those in which the legislature of the several states have by express enactment authorized such attack upon the verdict (see notes to 5 L. R. A. 523; 11 L. R. A. 706; 12 Am. Dec. 143 ; 29 Cyc. 982). The only exception so made in this state is in the case of so-called ‘chance verdicts’. (Code Civ. Proc., sec. 657, subd. 2.) ” See, also, People v. Kromphold, 172 Cal. 512, 524 [ 157 Pac. 599 ], and authorities there cited.

Subdivision 4 of section 1181 of the Penal Code is to the effect that when a verdict has been rendered against a defendant the court may grant a new trial “when the verdict has been decided by lot, or by any means other than a fair expression of opinion on the part of all the jurors”. By subdivision 2 of section 657 of the Code of Civil Procedure it is provided that a verdict may be vacated and a new trial granted “whenever any one or more of the jurors have been induced to assent to any general or special verdict, or to a finding on any question submitted to them by the court, by a resort to the determination of chance”, and that “such misconduct may be proved by the affidavit of any one of the jurors”.

That the usual practice in this state has been to set up in affidavits the facts which constitute the alleged misconduct of the jury, rather than the bare statutory conclusion which may be inferred from the facts, is readily established by a consideration of any of the numerous cases which have been ruled upon by the appellate tribunals of this state wherein a question like that here under consideration has been a subject of appeal. Nowhere has it been even intimated that an affidavit containing the mere conclusion of a juror, or any other person, that the decision rendered by the jury was a “chance verdict”, or that it was “arrived at by lot”, would be sufficient either in form or in substance. Necessarily the question of whether the alleged action or conduct of the jury in the premises constituted a decision by that body “by chance”, or “by lot”, is one of law to be determined by the trial court on the consideration by it of the relevant facts.

Although by the language contained in subdivision 2 of section 657 of the Code of Civil Procedure it is provided that the misconduct of the jury “may be proved by affidavit”, not only in reason, but as well in view of certain decisions by the Supreme Court of this state in analogous situations relative to alleged misconduct of juries, it may not be doubted that on the hearing o.f a charge of misconduct of the character of that here under consideration evidence of such misconduct is not limited to “the affidavit of any one of the jurors”, but that such misconduct may be established by any competent evidence thereof, including the oral testimony of jurors or other persons. (People v. Tucker, 117 Cal. 229, 230 [ 49 Pac. 134 ]; People v. Sullivan, 129 Cal. 557, 562 [ 62 Pac. 101 ].) Particularly should such rule obtain where, as in the instant case, the jurors have refused to make an affidavit and no other means of establishing their misconduct is available to the aggrieved party.

To my mind it is quite clear that, in the absence of any express statute by the terms of which the method of establishing the ultimate fact as to whether a challenged verdict was “arrived at” by lot or by chance is indicated, the aggrieved party should not be restricted either in the detail of pertinent facts which may be set forth in an affidavit of a juror or other person, or in the introduction in evidence of competent and relevant facts either by oral examination of jurors or other persons, or by the introduction of writings or other documents. In other words, on a hearing of a charge of misconduct of a jury to the effect that its verdict was reached either “by a resort to the determination of chance”, or that the verdict was decided “by lot”, the same rules should apply in the determination of such an issue as ordinarily obtain in the trial of an action or other proceeding before the court. The proper object of a trial or any proceeding is to arrive at the relevant and pertinent truth. Our laws pretend to vouchsafe to a defendant that on a criminal charge preferred against him he will receive a fair trial. Although it is of great importance that the guilty be punished, such a termination of the trial of a guilty violator of a criminal statute fades into insignificance when are considered the possible, or even probable, results which may flow from a continual denial of justice. In my humble opinion the precedent which will or may be eventually established by the judicial affirmance of what amounts to a refusal to hear competent evidence relating to a charge of misconduct of the jury in a particular such as is herein specified is far-reaching in its effect and completely overshadows the possible failure to bring to justice a probably guilty defendant.

A petition for a rehearing of this cause was denied by the District Court of Appeal on May 13, 1932, and an application by appellant to have the cause heard in the Supreme Court, after judgment in the District Court of Appeal, was denied by the Supreme Court on May 26, 1932.