Elias Zacarías petitions for review of the denial of his application for political asylum and withholding of deportation. We grant his petition for review in respect to his claim to eligibility for asylum.

PRIOR PROCEEDINGS

Elias fled Guatemala in March of 1987. When he entered the United States in July of 1987, the respondent Immigration and Naturalization Service (“INS” or “Service”) apprehended him. He conceded deportability and applied for asylum and withholding of deportation. After a hearing on December 14, 1987 (the “December hearing”) before an Immigration Judge (“IJ”), his application was denied. He appealed to the Board of Immigration Appeals (“BIA” or “Board”). The Board summarily dismissed his appeal on procedural grounds. He then moved for reconsideration. The Board denied the motion. He then moved for reopening of his asylum and withholding of deportation claims in light of new evidence; the Board denied that motion also, but excused the prior procedural lapse and gave the merits of his appeal plenary consideration. He now petitions this court for review of all three of the Board’s adverse rulings. Because the Board cured whatever mistake it might have made in summarily dismissing the first appeal, we do not review the denial of the motion to reconsider. We treat the Board’s denial of the motion to reopen as both an affirmance of the IJ’s ruling after the initial hearing and as a denial of the motion to reopen. We hold that the petitioner established eligibility for asylum at his initial hearing, but that the new evidence did not require the reopening of his withholding of deportation claim.

DISCUSSION

We review, in effect, two records in this case. The first is the record that the petitioner made before the IJ at the December hearing. The second is that record supplemented by a letter from the petitioner's father, which was submitted for the first time as an exhibit accompanying his September 28, 1988 petition to the Board to reopen the proceedings.

A. The December Hearing

At the December hearing, Elias testified that one evening in January of 1987, two uniformed guerrillas, carrying machine guns and wearing handkerchiefs to conceal their faces, approached the house where he and his parents lived. They identified themselves as guerrillas, and attempted to persuade him to join their ranks. Elias refused to join, despite their insistence. They told him to “think it [over] well” and said that they would be back. The petitioner, afraid that the guerrillas would come back and “take him,” fled Guatemala approximately two months later. He was eighteen at the time.

The record before the IJ at the hearing included, in addition to Elias’ testimony, an advisory letter from the State Department regarding Elias’ application. The letter said in relevant part:

Administrative Record at 86 (emphasis added).

The petitioner, of course, does not agree with the State Department’s ultimate legal conclusion, but he asserts that the first sentence in the quotation constitutes a recognition by the State Department that both sides in Guatemala’s civil war engage in forced recruitment. The INS argues that the sentence merely restates the petitioner’s allegations.

We review the Board’s factual findings under the “substantial evidence” standard and reverse if the BIA’s findings are not substantially reasonable. Artiga Turcios v. INS, 829 F.2d 720, 723 (9th Cir.1987).

Both the face of the letter and the other evidence in the record convince us that the Service’s interpretation of the letter is not supported by substantial evidence. The emphasized portion of the letter explicitly says that the State Department independently analyzed country conditions. Moreover, the State Department, in saying that “opposing armed forces” engage in forced recruitment, could not have been merely restating the petitioner’s allegations, because nothing in the portion of the petitioner’s asylum application reviewed by the State Department alleged forced recruitment by either side in the civil war, let alone both sides. When read in the context of the record as a whole, the letter supports the petitioner’s claim that the guerrillas engage in forced recruitment.

We now consider whether Elias’ encounter with the guerrillas, coupled with the fact that the guerrillas engage in forced recruitment, entitles him to eligibility for asylum or withholding of deportation.

To obtain withholding of deportation, a person must show that, if deported to his home country, it is more likely than not that his life or freedom would be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) § 243(h), 8 U.S.C. § 1253 (h); INS v. Stevic, 467 U.S. 407 , 104 S.Ct. 2489 , 81 L.Ed.2d 321 (1984). To establish eligibility for asylum, an applicant must show that he has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of at least one of those same five bases. INA § 208(a), 8 U.S.C. § 1158 (a); INA § 101(a)(42)(A), 8 U.S.C. § 1101 (a)(42)(A). A “well-founded fear” is a fear that is both genuine and objectively reasonable. To be objectively reasonable, there must be some reasonable possibility of persecution, but persecution does not have to be more likely than not. INS v. Cardoza-Fonseca, 480 U.S. 421, 450 , 107 S.Ct. 1207, 1222-23 , 94 L.Ed.2d 434 (1987).

The persecution need not come from the government in order for the alien to obtain relief; it can come from an entity which the government is “unwilling or unable to control.” McMullen v. INS, 658 F.2d 1312 , 1315 & n. 2 (9th Cir.1981). Because nongovernmental groups lack legitimate authority to conscript persons into their armies, their acts of conscription are tantamount to kidnapping and constitute persecution. Arteaga v. INS, 836 F.2d 1227, 1232 (9th Cir.1988); see also Artiga Turcios, 829 F.2d at 723 . The persecution is properly categorized as “on account of political opinion,” because the person resisting forced recruitment is expressing a political opinion hostile to the persecutor and because the persecutors’ motive in carrying out the kidnapping is political. Arteaga, 836 F.2d at 1232 n. 8; see also Maldonado-Cruz v. INS, 883 F.2d 788, 791 (9th Cir.1989); Bolanos-Hernandez v. INS, 767 F.2d 1277, 1286 (9th Cir.1984) (“Because [alien] refused to join [guerrillas’] cause, the guerrillas are likely to consider him a political opponent”).

An alien need not actually have suffered persecution in order to qualify for withholding of deportation or asylum. A threat of persecution can be enough. Indeed, with regard to withholding of deportation, the statute expressly speaks in terms of the threat to the alien’s life or freedom. INA § 243(h). The threat can be an explicit verbal threat or a threat that is implicit from the circumstances. Artiga Turcios, 829 F.2d at 723 . The key question is whether “there is reason to take the threat seriously.” Bolanos-Hernandez, 767 F.2d at 1285 . If it is “more likely than not” that the threat will be carried out, the petitioner is entitled to withholding of deportation. If there is a “reasonable possibility” that it will be carried out, the petitioner is eligible for asylum. In determining the likelihood that the alien will be persecuted, “we examine the guerrillas’ will or ability to carry out the threat, not simply whether threats were made.” Rodriguez-Rivera v. INS, 848 F.2d 998, 1006 (9th Cir.1988); Arteaga, 836 F.2d at 1232-33 .

In Rodriguez-Rivera , the court faced a peculiar factual situation. The applicant, Rodriguez-Rivera, knew and worked with Salvador, the person chiefly responsible for the threats against him. 848 F.2d at 1000 . Salvador died shortly after Rodriguez-Rivera fled the country. Salvador was a guerrilla, but, according to Rodriguez-Rivera’s testimony, he threatened only that “ ‘he’ (Salvador) would kill Rodriguez-Rivera.” Id. at 1006 . Salvador did not state or imply that the guerrillas would kill Rodriguez-Rivera, that they had any interest in him, or that they even knew who he was or where he lived; Salvador stated only that he personally wanted to kill Rodriguez-Rivera. Thus, the BIA in that case reasonably could conclude that when Salvador died, the threat he personally presented died with him. Indeed, the court stated that “the fact that Salvador is now dead is the most significant factor supporting the BIA’s determination.” Id. Obviously, the testimony countering the ordinary inference that Salvador, as a guerrilla, was threatening Rodriguez-Rivera in order to carry out the goals of the guerrillas (as opposed to his own personal goals) was crucial to the outcome of that case. If the guerrillas had been aware of Rodriguez-Rivera’s availability as a potential recruit, they could easily have assigned someone other than Salvador to do the dirty work, and the threat would have continued to be serious.

With regard to the two men who accompanied Salvador when he made a second threat against Rodriguez-Rivera, there was absolutely no evidence in the record suggesting that those men knew who Rodriguez-Rivera was or where he lived. In light of the statements made by Salvador while he and the two men were threatening Rodriguez-Rivera, it was not unreasonable to infer that the men’s only interest in Rodriguez-Rivera was to assist Salvador in his personal vendetta. Neither the men’s words, their conduct, nor the circumstances surrounding their encounter with Rodriguez-Rivera suggested that the guerrillas as a group had an interest in killing, kidnapping, or otherwise persecuting Rodriguez-Rivera. The BIA could thus reason ably conclude that when Salvador ' died, the two men did not have the ability to persecute Rodriguez-Rivera, because they did not know who he was or where he lived, and that they did not have the will to persecute him, because their only reason to bother him was to assist Salvador, who had died.

In Arteaga , the alien was confronted at his house by a group of guerrillas who tried to induce him to join their cause. After he refused, they said to him: “Even if you don’t come, we’ll get you.” Arteaga, 836 F.2d at 1228 . In Arteaga , unlike in Rodriguez-Rivera , there was no evidence contradicting the common sense inference that the threat was from the guerrillas as a group and not just from the particular individuals assembled at his house.

The court stated in' Arteaga that “a specific verbal threat by the guerrillas directed at an individual whose identity and residence are known to the guerrillas is sufficient to create a well-founded fear.” 836 F.2d at 1233 . In Rodriguez-Rivera, 848 F.2d at 1006 , the court observed that this statement in Arteaga had to be qualified by the holding in Bolanos-Hernandez, 767 F.2d at 1285-86 , that the group making the threat had to have the “will or ability” to carry it out. This observation was unremarkable because the Arteaga court itself qualified the statement in the same way. Arteaga, 836 F.2d at 1232 (citing Bolanos-Hernandez ).

After making its observation, the Rodriguez-Rivera court then said that “the entire discussion of the eligibility for asylum in Arteaga was dicta[.]” Rodriguez-Rivera, 848 F.2d at 1006 . The Rodriguez-Rivera court did not say that Arteaga’s analysis of asylum was incorrect. To the extent that Rodriguez-Rivera implied Arteaga was incorrect, that implication would itself be dicta, for nothing in Rodriguez-Rivera ’s holding was inconsistent with Artea-ga’s discussion of eligibility for asylum. In any event, the reasoning in the two cases can be reconciled; both Arteaga and Rodriguez-Rivera followed Bolanos-Her-nandez.

Rodriguez-Rivera, Arteaga, and Bola-nos-Hernandez together stand for the proposition that when a member of a group which engages in violence makes a threat, and there is no evidence that the member has only personal motives for making the threat, the reasonable inference is that the group is responsible for the threat and that the will or ability of the group should" be examined to determine if it is reasonable to take the threat seriously.

Examining the facts in light of these authorities, we conclude that Elias established eligibility for asylum at the December hearing but that he did not establish entitlement to withholding of deportation. There is no dispute that Elias’ fear of persecution was genuine and that he thus satisfied the subjective test for eligibility for asylum. He testified credibly that he feared the guerrillas would return and “take” him against his will. The dispute is over whether he satisfied the objective test and showed there was a reasonable possibility that the guerrillas would forcibly recruit him.

The Board’s crucial error was its conclusion that the Guatemalan guerrillas do not engage in forced recruitment. For the reasons stated above, the State Department letter was proof that the guerrillas do engage in forced recruitment. The Board’s error colored its analysis of the circumstances surrounding the guerrillas’ encounter with Elias. After the guerrillas failed in their attempt to persuade Elias to join voluntarily, they told him to “think it [over] well” and that they would be back. Because the Board believed that the guerrillas did not engage in forced recruitment, it- did not think it reasonable for Elias to interpret the guerrillas’ statements to constitute a threat of persecution. But in light of the guerrillas’ practice of using force to recruit people, it certainly was reasonable for a person in Elias’ situation to take the statements as threats. See Artiga Turcios, 829 F.2d at 723-24 (focus is on whether it was reasonable for the alien to perceive the circumstances as threatening). Moreover, the men who attempted to recruit him carried machine guns and wore masks, lending further credence to Elias’ belief that he was being threatened.

We now consider whether the guerrillas had the will and ability to persecute Elias. The fact that the guerrillas engaged in forced recruitment is proof that they had the will to persecute Elias. That Elias was not harmed in the two-month period during which he was preparing to leave the country is relevant, but as we said in Rivas v. INS, 899 F.2d 864, 865, 871-72 (9th Cir.1990), the fact that some time passed without harm has only marginal probative value. Rivas and the cases it cited as support for that proposition found that the alien had established a clear probability of persecution despite periods without harm. In addition to having the will to persecute Elias, the guerrillas had the ability to persecute him because they knew where he lived and who he was.

Finally, the threat to Elias was for political as opposed to personal reasons; the Board did not suggest that the individual guerrillas who appeared at his door had a personal quarrel with Elias, and in any event, theré was no evidence to rebut the common sense presumption that the guerrillas were interested in recruiting Elias to further the group’s political goals. There was thus a reasonable possibility, based on the evidence presented at the December hearing, that the guerrillas would return and take Elias by force, thereby persecuting him on account of political opinion. The Board’s conclusion that Elias was ineligible for asylum was not substantially reasonable. See Artiga Turcios.

The Board, however, was substantially reasonable in concluding that Elias failed to prove the “clear probability” of persecution necessary to obtain withholding of deportation. Elias did not present evidence suggesting that forced recruitment by the Guatemalan guerrillas occurred with such frequency that it would be more likely than not that Elias would be forcibly recruited. Nor did he present evidence that members of his family or other persons whom he knew were the victims of forced recruitment. Cf. Bolanos-Hernandez, 767 F.2d at 1280 (petitioner’s friends had been killed after receiving threats by Salvadoran guerrillas; entitlement to withholding of deportation established). Either kind of evidence would have strengthened his case. Nonetheless, the fact that the Guatemalan guerrillas use forced recruitment with sufficient frequency for the State Department to have taken notice and that they had once approached Elias masked and armed and had promised to return, demonstrates that there was a reasonable possibility that the guerrillas would return and take Elias.

B. The Motion to Reopen

About ten months after the December Hearing, Elias’ father wrote him a letter saying that guerrillas had returned to the house two times after Elias had fled (and after the time of the hearing) and that they had asked for Elias and his father both times. The first time, only Elias’ mother was home; she told them her son and her husband were out, and she refused to be more specific. They left. The second time, three months later, Elias’ father was home. They attempted to recruit the father, but according to the letter, they were more interested in Elias, since the father was 60 years old. He told them that Elias had fled to the United States.

Elias, in his motion to reopen, argued to the Board that this new evidence in conjunction with the evidence presented at the December Hearing established a prima fa-cie case of entitlement to withholding of deportation and of eligibility for asylum. Since we have held that Elias established his eligibility for asylum without the additional evidence, we consider only whether a prima facie case has been established for withholding of deportation.

As a threshold matter, we address the standard of review for petitions to review motions to reopen.

In INS v. Abudu, 485 U.S. 94 , 108 S.Ct. 904, at 911-12 , 99 L.Ed.2d 90 (1988) the Supreme Court noted that the BIA can deny a motion to reopen on any of three independent grounds:

(Emphasis added). In INS v. Abudu, the Supreme Court reversed our decision in Abudu v. INS because we read the BIA’s opinion in that case to constitute a denial only on the first ground, when in fact the BIA also denied the alien’s claim on the second ground, because he did not adequately explain why he had failed to apply for asylum at his initial hearing.

The Supreme Court made it clear throughout its opinion that it was addressing only the standard of review for denials of motions to reopen based on questions such as: whether the evidence was available at the time of the original deportation hearing; if it was available, whether the moving party had a reasonable excuse for failing to adduce it; if it was not available, whether there was other significant evidence at the time of the hearing such that the moving party should have pressed claims based on that evidence and not delayed. These questions all help to ferret out cases where parties present new evidence principally for the purpose of causing delay. The Supreme Court in INS v. Abudu, 108 S.Ct. at 914 , reasoned that any tribunal, administrative or otherwise, ought to have broad discretion to deter such abuses.

That reasoning does not apply with the same force when the tribunal has found that the movant’s failure to adduce the evidence was most likely not attributable to a desire for delay and when the tribunal has chosen to address the merits. Indeed, when the substantive issue being litigated is the probability of future events occurring, as it frequently is in asylum and withholding cases, there are particularly compelling reasons for allowing the merits of the alien’s claim to be given a hearing in light of evidence of new developments. Those new developments can substitute for the speculation on which the initial judgment was based.

In any event, the Supreme Court explicitly stated in INS v. Abudu that it was not addressing the standard of review for denials of motions to reopen based on the failure to establish a prima facie case. Our discussion in Abudu v. INS of the appropriate standard of review for denials of reopening based on the alien’s failure to make a prima facie case of eligibility for asylum or withholding of deportation therefore still stands.

In Abudu v. INS, we held that the standard of review is “abuse of discretion.” 802 F.2d 1096 at 1100 (9th Cir.1986). More specifically, we held that “the Board must accept the factual statements in the alien’s affidavits as true,” id. at 1101 , and that the Board abuses its discretion if it fails to find a prima facie case established when the evidence in the affidavits satisfies the requirements for eligibility for substantial relief. Id. at 1100 . We had so held in a number of previous cases. In Aviles-Torres v. INS, 790 F.2d 1433, 1436 (9th Cir.1986), for example, we held that “[t]he Board must accept the factual statements in the alien’s affidavits as true unless they are inherently unbelievable” and that “[t]he Board has no discretion if the alien proves his [prima facie] claim.” In Sakhavat v. INS, 796 F.2d 1201 (9th Cir.1986), we held that “the BIA abused its discretion when it disbelieved affidavit evidence that was not inherently incredible,” and found that the BIA erred “by either ignoring or prematurely discrediting key elements of Sakhavat’s prima facie case.” Id. at 1204-05 (citations and internal quotations omitted); see also Ghadessi v. INS, 797 F.2d 804, 806-07 (9th Cir.1986) (faulting Board for its “weighing of the quality, rather than the sufficiency” of evidence in a motion to reopen). In Abudu v. INS, 802 F.2d at 1101 , we extended the reasoning of these cases and held that on a motion to reopen, the Board “must draw reasonable inferences from the facts [pertaining to the merits of the prima facie case] in favor of” the moving party. The evidence in Abudu v. INS came exclusively from affidavits. In a case where some of the evidence is developed at a hearing, the BIA is of course free to interpret that evidence free from inferences in favor of the moving party. The BIA’s conclusions derived from that evidence will be accepted by the reviewing court if it is supported by substantial evidence. See Artiga Turcios, 829 F.2d at 723 .

In the case under consideration, the Board denied the motion to reopen because of Elias’ failure to furnish sufficient additional evidence, when taken together with the evidence adduced at the hearing before the IJ, to make out a prima facie case, the first ground identified by the Court in INS v. Abudu. We therefore apply the standard of review from our decision in Abudu v. INS.

The BIA accepted the father’s letter as true, but it denied the claim of eligibility for asylum (and a fortiori the claim for withholding of deportation) because it believed there was no new evidence that the guerrillas engaged in forced recruitment. We disagreed with the Board’s assessment of the initial evidence, because, as we stated above, it was error to find that the guerrillas do not engage in forced recruitment; however, we agree with the Board’s assessment of the evidence on the motion to reopen. The petitioner’s new evidence may have strengthened his claim to eligibility for asylum but it did not cure the key deficiency in his withholding of deportation claim. To show that forced recruitment was more than a reasonable possibility, Elias needed to present more specific evidence concerning the extent of forced recruitment by the guerrillas, either in the country at large or as it affected him, members of his family or other people whom he knew. Cf. Bolanos-Hernandez, 767 F.2d at 1280 .

CONCLUSION

Elias established his eligibility for asylum; he did not establish his entitlement to withholding of deportation. To that extent, the petition for review is granted. We remand to the Board to exercise its discretion with respect to the petitioner’s asylum application.

.In its November 18, 1988 opinion denying the motion to reopen, the Board, in addition to addressing the sufficiency of the new evidence as a basis for reopening, explained for the first time why it found that the petitioner was not entitled to relief based on the evidence he presented at his hearing before the IJ. The petitioner had been denied review on the merits by the Board of the IJ’s decision because the petitioner’s lawyer had submitted the brief late, owing to erroneous information given by a clerk of the Immigration Court. In its decision denying the motion to reopen, the Board said that it would "look beyond” the procedural mix-up and review the IJ’s decision on the merits. . The INS in its brief suggested that we treat the Board’s rulings in this manner. . The IJ found Elias' testimony to be credible and the BIA did not disturb that finding. . The petitioner also calls our attention to another document written by the State Department, a report by the Department to both houses of Congress in February, 1990, saying, inter alia, [T]he Communist guerrillas increased their campaign of violence which included destruction of public and private property, robbery, forced recruitment and labor, and indiscriminate use of land mines. Department of State, 101st Cong., 2d Sess., Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 1989 (Joint Comm. Print 1990) (emphasis added). We do not use the Report to support our conclusion that the BIA misread the State Department's letter. The BIA’s decision was rendered before the Report was issued. . The State Department in its advisory letter failed to recognize this; hence its legal error. . The asylum applicant in Rodriguez-Rivera did not mention in his application the two most significant threats that he testified to in his hearing. Rodriguez-Rivera, 848 F.2d at 1000 . That cast some doubt on his credibility and affected the court’s review. . The BIA thought it significant that the guerrillas did not actually point the weapons at Elias. Had they done that, we might have a case of actual persecution rather than a case of threatened persecution. Cf. Cardoza-Fonseca v. INS, 767 F.2d 1448, 1453 (9th Cir.1985), aff’d INS v. Cardoza-Fonseca, 480 U.S. 421 , 107 S.Ct. 1207 , 94 L.Ed.2d 434 (1987) (“evidence of past persecution or a threat of future persecution” can establish well-founded fear). At oral argument the lawyer for the INS indulged in the wholly unwarranted speculation that the guerrillas wore handkerchiefs not to conceal their faces but "because it might have been dusty that day.” . In many of our cases concerning threats by the Salvadoran guerrillas, this issue apparently was not even in dispute, perhaps because the practices of the Salvadoran guerrillas are well-documented. See e.g. Artiga Turcios; Maldonado-Cruz, 883 F.2d at 791-92 ("Maldonado ‘is likely to be persecuted by a politically motivated group that frequently engages in terrorist tactics directed at those who refuse to join its armed political struggle.”’) (quoting Bolanos-Hernandez, 767 F.2d at 1287 ). .We do not imply that information regarding conditions and practices in a country must come from a government agency such as the State Department. Evidence from other sources also can be highly probative. . The Board treats asylum applications also as applications for withholding of deportation, 8 C.F.R. § 208.3 (b) (1987), so this ground applies to withholding claims as well. . The determination of whether an alien is eligible for asylum as a "refugee" within the meaning of INA § 101(a)(42)(A), as opposed to whether he is entitled to the ultimate grant of asylum, is not within the BIA’s discretion. See Hernandez-Ortiz v. INS, 777 F.2d 509, 518 (9th Cir.1985). . The INS seems to suggest in one cryptic sentence in its brief that the BIA denied the motion to reopen not only because the new evidence, combined with the old, did not establish a pri-ma facie case, but because the new evidence was not "material” within the meaning of 8 C.F.R. § 3.2 . The Board mentioned the materiality requirement, but to the extent the Board applied it, it did so in such a way as to equate "material evidence" with evidence sufficient to make out a prima facie case. The Supreme Court in INS v. Abudu stated that the BIA has broad discretion to deny motions based on new evidence that is not material. 108 S.Ct. at 909 n. 3. To read "material” the way the Board apparently did in this case would be to render meaningless the Supreme Court's careful distinction in INS v. Abudu between denials based on materiality and denials based on failure to establish a prima facie case. By “material” evidence, the Supreme Court could only have meant evidence tending to strengthen the alien’s claim for relief, not evidence so probative that it would establish a prima facie case for relief. The Board's confusion is evidenced by the fact that it based its definition of materiality on a misquotation from the Supreme Court’s decision in INS v. Abudu. The BIA quoted INS v. Abudu to say at 108 S.Ct. at page 914 : " ‘Material evidence,’ in the context of a motion to reopen, is evidence the facts of which ‘are of such a nature that they will probably change the results if [a new hearing is held].’ ’’ We cannot find the words quoted or anything resembling them at the page cited, or indeed anywhere in the Supreme Court’s opinion. Wherever this quotation comes from, it sounds more like the definition of new evidence sufficient to make a prima facie case on reopening than it does the definition of "material.” . The only reason given by the Immigration Judge for denying Elias’ asylum application at the December hearing was that Elias did not present evidence that the guerrillas had returned before he fled. That they apparently did return illustrates why we generally do not think it is reasonable for the Board to accord significant weight to short periods where no incidents occur.