1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 9 SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA 10 11 DENISE VAN OSTEN, Case No.: 19CV2106 CAB (BGS)

12 Plaintiff,

ORDER REGARDING PLAINTIFF’S

13 v. DEPOSITION

14 HOME DEPOT, U.S.A., INC., 15 Defendant. 16 17 I. INTRODUCTION 18 On October 23, 2020, the parties submitted a Joint Letter Brief to raise a discovery 19 dispute regarding the completion of Plaintiff Denise Van Osten’s deposition. (Ex. 1.) 20 Defendant Home Depot seeks an order compelling Plaintiff to appear for the completion 21 of her deposition, monetary sanctions against Plaintiff and her counsel, and an extension 22 of fact discovery to allow Defendant to complete Plaintiff’s deposition.1 (Id. at 2-3.) 23

24 25 1 The Court acknowledges that Defendant requests to more fully brief the issue. However, Plaintiff’s deposition was originally noticed for March 10, 2020, (ECF 34 at 4) 26 and as detailed below, did not even occur for the first session until June 10, 2020. It has 27 already required four different sessions encompassing eleven hours. The Court declines to delay the completion of Plaintiff’s deposition even further with briefing prior to 28 1 Plaintiff argues sanctions are not warranted, that Plaintiff has cooperated and responded 2 to Defendant’s questions, and that Plaintiff has not refused to sit for a fifth deposition 3 session but requests limitations on the time and scope of the deposition. 4 II. BACKGROUND2 5 The parties first attempted Plaintiff’s deposition on June 10, 2020, but it was 6 suspended because of a dispute about it being recorded. (ECF 38 [Joint Motion to Extend 7 Fact Discovery] at 5 (citing Decl. of Amber M. Solano ¶ 18).) The Court ordered the 8 parties to meet and confer to attempt to resolve the dispute and set a deadline to file a 9 joint statement if they could not. (ECF 33.) A joint statement was not filed, and the next 10 session of Plaintiff’s deposition proceeded on June 15, 2020. (Id. at 5-6 (citing Solano 11 Decl. ¶ 20).) This session of the deposition was five hours and thirty minutes. (Id. at 5-6 12 (citing Decl. of Amber M. Solano (“Solona Decl.”) ¶ 20.) A third session of Plaintiff’s 13 deposition was held on August 3, 2020. This deposition ended at 2:00 p.m. to allow 14 Plaintiff to take medication. After this session of Plaintiff’s deposition, Defendant’s 15 counsel contacted Plaintiff’s counsel and indicated she believed Plaintiff’s deposition 16 could be completed in two hours if Plaintiff provided responsive answers and Plaintiff’s 17 counsel refrained from speaking objections. (ECF 38 at 7 (citing Solano Decl. ¶ 26.) 18 Plaintiff’s counsel agreed. (Id.) Plaintiff was deposed a fourth time on September 18, 19 2020. (Ex. 1 at 2.) 20 21

22 23 within this Order. This conclusion does not necessarily preclude Defendant from pursing sanctions for prior deposition conduct as identified in the Joint Letter Brief or for conduct 24 during the session the Court is ordering here. However, given fact discovery closed on 25 August 7, 2020 for everything except Plaintiff’s deposition and Plaintiff is not refusing to sit for an additional session, the Court finds the most expedient path to order the 26 deposition be completed as indicated here without further delay. 27 2 The following background on the numerous sessions of Plaintiff’s deposition is drawn from the parties’ Joint Letter Brief and the parties’ most recent Joint Motion to Extend 28 1 III. DISCUSSION 2 A. Legal Standards 3 Under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 30(d)(1), “a deposition is limited to one day 4 of 7 hours.” However, “[t]he court must allow additional time consistent with Rule 5 26(b)(1) and (2) if needed to fairly examine the deponent or if the deponent, another 6 person, or any other circumstance impedes for delays the examination.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 7 30(d)(1). 8 Objections during deposition “must be stated concisely in a nonargumentative and 9 nonsuggestive manner.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(c)(2). “A person may instruct a deponent not 10 to answer only when necessary to preserve a privilege, to enforce a limitation ordered by 11 the court, or to present a motion under Rule 30(d)(3).” Id. Rule 30(d)(3) in turn provides 12 that a deponent “may move to terminate or limit [a deposition] on the ground that it is 13 being conducted in bad faith or in a manner that unreasonably annoys, embarrasses, or 14 oppresses the deponent or party.” And, the Court “may order that the deposition be 15 terminated or may limit its scope and manner as provided in Rule 26(c).” Rule 16 30(d)(3)(B). 17 B. Parties Positions 18 Defendant, acknowledging that a deposition is generally limited to seven hours, 19 seeks additional time for Plaintiff’s deposition because of “Plaintiff’s non-responsive 20 answers and Plaintiff’s counsel’s speaking objections and other inappropriate comments.” 21 (Id. at 3.) Plaintiff has not refused to sit for an additional deposition, but “requests that 22 the scope and time limit and exhibits be defined in writing ahead of time to minimize the 23 emotional distress put on the Plaintiff and to avoid harassment and duplicate questions.” 24 (Id. at 4.) 25 There are a few points of contention between the parties. Plaintiff indicates the 26 third session was four hours long and the fourth was more than the two hours. (Ex. 1 at 27 3.) This is of some significance because when combined with the five and half hour 28 second session, Plaintiff has been deposed collectively for more than eleven hours. 1 However, Defendant argues the third session, along with the first and fourth, were 2 unproductive because of Plaintiff’s numerous non-responsive answers and Plaintiff’s 3 counsel’s speaking objections, comments, and argument on the record. (Ex. 1 at 2.) As 4 to the most recent fourth session that was almost two and a half hours, Defendant 5 indicates that Plaintiff’s counsel “wasted 37 minutes . . . with his speaking objections and 6 inappropriate comments that prevented Home Depot from completing the deposition.” 7 (Id. at 3.) 8 The parties also dispute whether Defendant’s counsel agreed to limit Plaintiff’s 9 final deposition session to a particular topic, Plaintiff’s wage and hour claims. There 10 does not appear to be any dispute about the time frame.3 However, Plaintiff asserts that 11 the agreement to sit for another deposition session was contingent on Defendant’s 12 counsel’s representation that the subject matter of the deposition would be limited to 13 Plaintiff’s wage claims and the length would not exceed two hours. (Ex. 1 at 2.) 14 Defendant’s counsel disputes this and argues if that were the case it would have been 15 included in the parties’ joint motion to continue fact discovery to complete Plaintiff’s 16 deposition. (Id.) Defendant accurately notes that this topic limitation was not included in 17 the Joint Motion to Extend Fact Discovery. (ECF 38.) 18 The parties also seem to dispute the basis for Plaintiff’s counsel’s termination of 19 Plaintiff’s last deposition session. Defendant indicates that Plaintiff’s counsel terminated 20 the deposition after Defendant’s counsel attempted to obtain testimony regarding 21 photographs produced by Plaintiff in discovery. (Ex. 1 at 2.) Defendant asserts that 22 Plaintiff took the position the pictures were not legible. (Id.) Plaintiff’s counsel does not 23 24 25 3 The parties’ Joint Motion to Extend Fact Discovery, signed by counsel for both parties, 26 reflects the parties agreed that if Plaintiff provided responsive answers and Plaintiff’s 27 counsel refrained from speaking objections, the deposition could be completed in two hours. (ECF 38 at 7.) Their Joint Letter Brief does not dispute this agreement. (Ex. 1-2, 28 1 dispute this, but indicates that Defendant’s counsel went beyond the scope and length 2 agreed to and Plaintiff participated from 10:06 a.m. to 12:31 p.m. (Id. at 4.) 3 The parties’ summary of their meet a confer efforts regarding an additional 4 deposition session reflects Plaintiff’s position for Defendant’s counsel to identify the 5 topics to be covered, time needed to complete the deposition, and that Defendant’s 6 counsel send any exhibits it intends to use in advance to avoid wasting time emailing and 7 printing exhibits. (Ex. 1 at 2.) Defendant indicated that it could not provide a time 8 estimate because Plaintiff continues to provide non-responsive answers and Plaintiff’s 9 counsel continues with speaking objections and improper dialogue which delay the 10 deposition. (Id.) The Joint Letter Brief specifically indicates that Defendant’s counsel 11 asked Plaintiff’s counsel “to agree to stop with the unnecessary dialogue/speaking 12 objections, and he refused.” (Id.) Defendant’s counsel also indicated that it “would not 13 ask questions previously asked of Plaintiff,” but that Defendant needs to ask questions 14 regarding documents Plaintiff produced in discovery. (Id.) And, as to the emailing of 15 exhibits, Defendant indicates that this process has been successfully utilized for seven 16 other depositions. 17 C. Analysis 18 First, the Court finds that Plaintiff’s deposition may exceed the one day seven-hour 19 limit given the breadth of the allegations and claims and the number of times Plaintiff’s 20 depositions have been cut short. Second, the Court orders Plaintiff to sit for an additional 21 session to complete her deposition after the close of fact discovery. Although Plaintiff 22 argues the depositions are very hard for Plaintiff, Plaintiff does not dispute Defendant’s 23 claims that Plaintiff’s depositions have been delayed by non-responsive answers and 24 Plaintiff’s counsel speaking objections and improper dialogue. Defendant should not be 25 precluded from questioning Plaintiff on topics that could not be reached or regarding 26 documents produced in discovery because too much time was consumed by Plaintiff’s 27 counsel. 28 1 The Court declines to require Defendant’s counsel to identify the topics and set a 2 specific time frame in advance. Although Plaintiff’s counsel indicates being deposed is 3 very difficult on Plaintiff emotionally, Plaintiff has not identified any basis to limit the 4 deposition as to topic or require the provision of exhibits in advance. As to the request to 5 limit the time, the Court would agree that it is challenging to set a time limit without 6 knowing how much time will be consumed by Plaintiff’s counsel’s objections. However, 7 Defendant indicates that it will “not ask questions previously asked of Plaintiff.” (Ex. 1 8 at 2.) The Court will hold Defendant to this to the extent Plaintiff was responsive to the 9 question(s). Defendant should not revisit topics already covered unless Plaintiff was non 10 responsive to specific questions within that topic or because it is related to questioning 11 Plaintiff about documents produced in discovery that Defendant has not previously been 12 able to question Plaintiff about. This is not an opportunity to redo Plaintiff deposition. It 13 should be limited to relevant topics not previously addressed unless some topic needs to 14 be revisited for a specific reason. Importantly, Plaintiff is not to delay the deposition by 15 making objections as regards these guidelines. The Court deems them preserved for any 16 post-deposition motions Plaintiff wants to bring. 17 As to Plaintiff’s counsel’s conduct during the deposition, the Court finds 18 limitations are appropriate to be sure Plaintiff’s deposition is not delayed even further. 19 As one court explained, “depositions are to be limited to what they were and are intended 20 to be: question-and-answer sessions between a lawyer and a witness aimed at uncovering 21 the facts in a lawsuit. When a deposition becomes something other than that because of 22 the strategic interruptions, suggestions, statements, and arguments of counsel, it not only 23 becomes unnecessarily long, but it ceases to serve the purpose of the Federal Rules of 24 Civil Procedure.” Hall v. Clifton Precision, 150 F.R.D. 525, 531 (E.D. Penn. 1993). 25 Accordingly, “the following ‘Clifton Order’ shall set forth limitations on the 26 conduct of the participants at the deposition to eliminate further inappropriate conduct.” 27 Vestin Realty Mortgage. II, Inc. v. Klass, Civil No. 08cv2011 LAB (AJB), 2010 WL 28 1 4259946, *3 (S.D. Cal. Oct. 25, 2010) (citing Clifton Precision, 150 F.R.D. 525). 2 Plaintiff’s deposition will comply with the following: 3 a. At the beginning of the deposition, deposing counsel shall instruct the witness to ask deposing counsel, rather than the witness’ own counsel, 4 for clarifications, definitions, or explanations of any words, questions, or 5 documents presented during the course of the deposition. The witness shall abide by these instructions. 6 b. All objections, except those which would be waived if not made at 7 the deposition under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 32(d)(3)(B), and those necessary to assert a privilege, to enforce a limitation on evidence directed 8 by the court, or to present a motion pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil 9 Procedure 30(d), shall be preserved. Therefore, those objections need not and shall not be made during the course of depositions. 10 c. Counsel shall not direct or request that a witness not answer a 11 question, unless that counsel has objected to the question on the ground that the answer is protected by a privilege or a limitation on evidence directed by 12 the court. 13 d. Counsel shall not make objections or statements which might suggest an answer to a witness. Counsel’s statements when making 14 objections should be succinct and verbally economical, stating the basis of 15 the objection and nothing more. . . . 16 h. Deposing counsel shall provide to the witness’ counsel a copy of all 17 documents shown to the witness during the deposition. The copies shall be provided either before the deposition begins or contemporaneously with the 18 showing of each document to the witness. The witness and witness’ counsel 19 do not have the right to discuss documents privately before the witness answers questions about them. 20 i. Depositions shall otherwise be conducted in compliance with the 21 Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Federal Rules of Evidence.

22 Id. at 4. Given these limitations on the scope of Plaintiff’s counsel’s allowable 23 speaking objections and limiting Defendant’s counsel’s questioning primarily to new 24 uncovered topics and documents Plaintiff has not previously been questioned about, the 25 Court expects this deposition can be completed within two to three hours. However, the 26 Court also expects that the deposition should be completed. The record before the Court 27 reflects that Plaintiff’s deposition has been terminated too many times. Any relief for 28 1 || exceeding this time limit should be raised after it is completed. Further, Plaintiff cannot 2 terminate the deposition before completion unless she first obtains the Court’s approval. 3 CONCLUSION 4 The Court already ordered the parties to meet and confer prior to November 3, 5 2020 to determine a date on or before November 16, 2020 when Plaintiff's deposition can 6 ||be completed. Plaintiff’s final deposition session shall proceed on the date agreed subject 7 || to the limitations imposed in this Order. 8 IT IS SO ORDERED. 9 || Dated: November 3, 2020 p / 10 on. Bernard G. Skomal 11 United States Magistrate Judge 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28

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015428.00033 30004229.1

October 23, 2020

Hon. Bernard G. Skomal United States District Courthouse 333 West Broadway San Diego, CA 92101

Re: Denise Van Osten v. Home Depot, USDC Case No. 3:19-cv-02106-CAB-BGS Plaintiff Denise Van Osten (“Plaintiff”) and Defendant Home Depot U.S.A., Inc. (“Home Depot”) hereby submit the following joint letter brief regarding a discovery dispute involving Home Depot’s request to complete Plaintiff’s deposition.

I. JOINT TIMELINE OF DISPUTE

On June 10, 2020, Home Depot took the first session of Plaintiff’s deposition. However, at the start of the deposition, a dispute arose regarding Home Depot’s attempt to record the deposition by video, and the deposition was suspended.

On June 15, 2020, Home Depot proceeded with the second session of Plaintiff’s deposition. Home Depot was unable to complete Plaintiff’s deposition, despite its diligent efforts, due to the numerous allegations asserted in Plaintiff’s 45-page Complaint. Plaintiff agreed to appear for a third session of deposition.

On June 19, 2020, Home Depot’s lead counsel, Amber M. Solano, learned that her father passed away unexpectedly, requiring Ms. Solano to travel to Colorado for three weeks. As a result, on June 25, 2020, upon the parties’ joint motion, the Court issued an order continuing the fact discovery cut-off from July 8 to August 7, 2020, among other deadlines.

On August 3, 2020, Plaintiff appeared for the third continuation of her deposition. However, the deposition ended early at 2:00 p.m. to allow Plaintiff to take medication.

On August 25, 2020, Home Depot informed Plaintiff that it could complete Plaintiff’s deposition in two hours if: (1) Plaintiff provided responsive answers to the questions; and (2) counsel refrained from speaking objections. The parties agreed to file a joint motion to extend the fact discovery cut-off to complete Plaintiff’s deposition on September 18, 2020. It is Plaintiff’s Hon. Bernard Skomal October 23, 2020 Page 2 position that the agreement to sit for another deposition was contingent on the representation of Home Depot’s counsel that subject matter of the deposition was to be Plaintiff’s wage claims, and the length of time would not exceed two hours. Home Depot disputes this and directs the Court to the Parties’ joint motion which does not support Plaintiff’s position.

On September 4, 2020, upon the parties’ joint motion, the Court extended the fact discovery cut- off from August 7 to September 18, 2020, but only for purposes of completing Plaintiff’s deposition.

On September 18, 2020, Plaintiff appeared for the fourth continuation of her deposition. However, a dispute arose as to the length and scope of the deposition examination and, Plaintiff terminated the deposition after Home Depot’s counsel attempted to obtain testimony regarding photographs Plaintiff produced in discovery. It is Plaintiff’s position the pictures were not legible. Consequently, Home Depot was unable to complete Plaintiff’s deposition as planned.

The parties met and conferred regarding Home Depot’s request for Plaintiff to appear for another session of deposition so that Home Depot could complete the deposition. Plaintiff’s counsel requested that Home Depot’s counsel identify the specific topics Home Depot needs additional time to cover, the amount of time needed to complete Plaintiff’s deposition, and asked Home Depot’s counsel to send any exhibits it intended to use ahead of time so deposition time is not wasted emailing and printing exhibits . Home Depot’s counsel explained it was difficult to provide a time estimate because Plaintiff continues to provide non-responsive answers and Kevin Mirch continues with speaking objections and improper dialogue which delays Home Depot’s ability to complete the deposition. Home Depot asked Kevin Mirch to agree to stop with the unnecessary dialogue/speaking objections, and he refused. Home Depot also informed Plaintiff that it needed to ask questions regarding documents that Plaintiff produced in discovery and would not ask questions previously asked of Plaintiff. Home Depot also reminded Plaintiff that the manner in which it provides exhibits (e.g., by email) is the manner in which Plaintiff insisted and has been used without issue in at least seven other depositions conducted in the case. The parties did not reach an agreement.

II. HOME DEPOT’S POSITION

Home Depot is seeking an Order compelling Plaintiff to appear for the completion of her deposition, imposing monetary sanctions against Plaintiff and Plaintiff’s counsel; and extending the fact discovery so that Home Depot may complete Plaintiff’s deposition. With the exception of Plaintiff’s second deposition session on August 3 during which Home Depot obtained approximately five hours of testimony, the first, third and fourth deposition sessions were unproductive due to Plaintiff’s numerous non-responsive answers to deposition questions and Plaintiff’s counsel’s countless speaking objections and other opinion-driven comments and argument on the record that have unnecessarily prolonged Plaintiff’s deposition. While Home Depot intended to complete Plaintiff’s deposition on September 18, 2020, it was Hon. Bernard Skomal October 23, 2020 Page 3 prevented from doing so when Plaintiff’s counsel unilaterally stopped the deposition when Home Depot presented pictures that Plaintiff produced in discovery and attempted to ask questions. Home Depot has exercised due diligence in meeting the deadlines of the Court’s scheduling order but has been unable to complete Plaintiff’s deposition because Plaintiff and her counsel have impeded and frustrated Home Depot’s ability to obtain a fair examination and unnecessarily prolonged the examinations. Home Depot will be severely prejudiced if it is not allowed to complete Plaintiff’s deposition. Plaintiff asserted 13 claims for relief against Home Depot spanning eight years of Plaintiff’s employment from 2010 through 2017. If Home Depot is not allowed to complete Plaintiff’s deposition, Home Depot will be deprived of essential discovery that is necessary to defend against Plaintiff’s claims and adequately prepare for trial. Further, a brief continuance of the fact discovery cut-off date to allow Home Depot to complete Plaintiff’s deposition will not prejudice the parties and will not impact the other dates in the Scheduling Order. Additionally, the seven-hour limit for a deposition is not absolute. Unless otherwise stipulated or ordered by the Court, a deposition is limited to 1 day of 7 hours. (F.R.C.P. Rule 30(d).) The time period includes only time spent examining the witness. (United States ex rel. Baltazar v. Warden, 302 F.R.D. 256, 267 (N.D. Ill. 2014.) However, a party may file a motion to extend the seven-hour limit for specified depositions. (See JTR Enterprises, LLC v. An Unknown Quantity of Columbian Emeralds, Amethysts and Quartz Crystals, 297 F.R.D. 522, 531-532 (S.D. Fla. 2013).) The Court must allow additional time if needed to fairly examine the deponent or the deponent, another person, or any other circumstance delays or impedes the examination. (F.R.C.P. Rule 30(d); Republic of Turkey v. Christie’s, Inc., 326 F.R.D., 402, 405.) Examples of situations in which an extended deposition would be warranted include: examinations covering long periods of time or numerous and/or lengthy documents, and depositions in which improper objections or other conduct by deponents and/or deponent’s counsel has impeded the deposition. (140 Kleppinger v. Texas Dept. of Transp., 283 F.R.D. 330, 333 (S.D. Tex. 2012).) Here, Home Depot requests the opportunity to fully brief this issue so that it can provide to the Court excerpts from the transcripts regarding Plaintiff’s non-responsive answers and Plaintiff’s counsel’s speaking objections and other inappropriate comments to demonstrate why additional time for Plaintiff’s deposition is necessary. Plaintiff’s allegations that Home Depot agreed to limit the last session of deposition to wage and hour claims is false. Further, Kevin Mirch wasted 37 minutes at the last deposition with his speaking objections and inappropriate comments that prevented Home Depot from completing the deposition.

III. PLAINTIFF’S POSITION

Plaintiff has appeared for a deposition and answered questions five times. The first day was cut short because of a dispute about videotaping the deposition. That issue was resolved and Plaintiff appeared for a full second day examination on June 15 , 2020. The third setting was on August 3, 2020. Plaintiff was deposed from 10:04 a.m. and the deposition concluded at 2:06 Hon. Bernard Skomal October 23, 2020 Page 4 p.m. because Plaintiff needed to take medication that she did not have with her. The interrogation during the deposition is very difficult on the Plaintiff emotionally. Prior to the last deposition, when Home Depot’s counsel asked for a fifth session, Home Depot’s counsel represented that she intended to question Plaintiff about her wage claims and that it should take about two hours. Plaintiff agreed with the understanding that the scope and length of the deposition would be as represented. Home Depot’s counsel went beyond the scope, but nonetheless, Plaintiff participated from 10:06 am to 12:31 p.m. Sanctions are not warranted. Plaintiff has not refused to sit for a sixth deposition session, she has cooperated and responded to Home Depot’s questions during each deposition. However, Plaintiff requests that the scope and time limit and exhibits be defined in writing ahead of time to minimize the emotional distress put on the Plaintiff and to avoid harassment and duplicate questions. Sincerely, /s/ Marie Mirch /s/ Amber M. Solano Counsel for Plaintiff Counsel for Defendant